Attending: Brian, Julian, Al, Roger, Jeff, Jacques, Jon G.
Agenda:
Prep for Team-X meeting in mid-Dec. They will cover telescope + focal plane + Cooling = instrument
Optics of 1.2m vs 1.4m. 1.4m open has better resolution and sensitivity.
No glaring issues with open, even though it is less traditional.
Brian: Does baffle create sidelobes?
Shaul: Goal is to do a basic GRASP calculation to figure this out. In contact with Brad Johnson
Karl will calculate sensitivity of crossed at 4K. Maybe something to pursue.
Should we go to Team-X with multiple options?
Al: They tend to split their time evenly amongst options they are given. Would need to make clear what our focus is if we bring multiple options. Prefer taking just 1 workable option. It's time to finish with optics and move focus to other issues which need work.
Shaul: Our case is 1 basic framework with options being changes on top of this.
Al: Team-X can do this if the scope is made clear in pre-session. However may not be most effecient use of Team-X time/expertise.
Gathering telescope quotes:
Brain, JPL, and Shaul.
Components are fraction of cost. Majority of cost is testing.
Al: WMAP testing was cold photograms, warm beams, accounted for cooling deformation with models
Jacques: Planck testing was sidelobes warm, deformation and alignment as mirror cooled, no end-to-end cold test with flight system.
CORE estimate, very unofficial, was $10-20 million
Cooling:
Chris Payne working on strategy
continuous ADR cost from Goddard slow to come in. Working on this.
Possible single shot ADR from Europe. planned for Athena mission.
Jacques: Same group is developing continuous ADR. Probably low TRL currently. Jacques willing to connect people if needed. (not needed currently)
Roger: Will send around BLISS ADR system. Was a bench test system at JPL.
Skip Mission discussion for now, deadline in March although work needs to begin.
Systematics
What do we need for 1/f? Sidelobes? Gain stability? pol angle calibration? And how to simulate this.
Sidelobes: Estimate in GRASP via Brad J.
Jacques: This job is very large and approximations are often done.
Shaul: Plan is to do a course model to get representative levels.
Julian: Simulation pipelines exist to take scan + sidelobes, produce maps, and estimate systematic errors in parameters.
need proper inputs
simulation of mitigation of sidelobes is harder. Need a way to estimate your sidelobes and your mitigation method separately, then combine in simulation.
typically simulate each systematic separately, then do 1 sim with all systematics to see overall effects.
Shaul: this can get infinitely complex. We'll focus on the 3 issues highlited by systematics group first.
All these are doable, suggestion: Do 4-5 locations on focal plane.
Jacques: do 4 detectors simultaneously so you get 1 Q and 1 U measurement.