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 ====== Telecon 20180221 ====== ====== Telecon 20180221 ======
  
-Attending: +Attending: Tom, Tomo, Toki, Brian, Kris, Shaul, Karl, Qi
  
-Notes by :  \\+Notes by : Qi \\
  
 === Agenda=== === Agenda===
  
   * Attitude Control and Reconstruction Requirements (Wrap up)   * Attitude Control and Reconstruction Requirements (Wrap up)
 +    * Tentative baseline: control = 1' (3 sigma) over 1 spin period; reconstruction = 1" (3 sigma) 
     * Last week's presentation from Jacques: [[https://zzz.physics.umn.edu/ipsig/_media/systematicswg/telecons/2018-02-14/pointing.pdf|Attitude control requirements (Jacques)]]     * Last week's presentation from Jacques: [[https://zzz.physics.umn.edu/ipsig/_media/systematicswg/telecons/2018-02-14/pointing.pdf|Attitude control requirements (Jacques)]]
-    * Last week's images from Kris:| {{::m000.png?100|m000.png}} | {{::m000ge.png?100|m000ge.png}} | {{::m000gm.png?100|m000gm.png}} | +    * Last week's images from Kris:  | {{::m000.png?100|m000.png}} | {{::m000ge.png?100|m000ge.png}} | {{::m000gm.png?100|m000gm.png}} | 
-  * Telescope I+T (Tomo)+    * {{::precession_fast_slow.pdf|Kris' update for this week }} 
 +  * Telescope I+T (Tomo and Bill)
     * {{::20171212_picoi_t_v002.pdf|Tomo's slides}}     * {{::20171212_picoi_t_v002.pdf|Tomo's slides}}
 +    * {{::plancki_t_jones_20171212.pdf|Receiver, Bill Jones}}
   * Instrument I+T (Bill J.)   * Instrument I+T (Bill J.)
  
 === Notes === === Notes ===
 +  * Attitude Control and Reconstruction Requirements (Wrap up)
 +    * The discussion was from last week: based on cross scan sampling, Jacques argued that increasing precession period T_prec is an potential solution, in order to achieve better sky coverage
 +    * Kris did not agree
 +    * Kris's updates:
 +      * figures show the high-resolution (highest frequency beam) hits number of sky coverage, assuming precession angle 30 deg and spin spin angle 65 deg.
 +      * Two cases were studied, fast (48 hrs) and slow (7 hrs)
 +      * it's shown that hits are dense on the edge of "donuts", and coarse in the middle
 +        * for slow precession, the distinction between edges and inner parts is more obvious
 +      * color is in log scale, red is much more dense than blue
 +      * color scales in slow and fast are not same; the maxium in 48 hrs is a factor of ~4 compared to 7 hrs
 +      * Kris's conclusion: short (fast) precession is better
 +    * Shaul: 1 arcmin in 3 sigma in single spin rate is based on fast precession
 +    * Kris: many motions of PICO are much faster than Planck, we need to be careful. Someone studing WMAP pagers is a good thing to do.
 +    * Shaul: we need to be careful, star tracker; In optical astronomy, they don’t scan fast, so it’s trivial for them.
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 +  * Telescope I+T (Tomo)
 +    * pg24
 +      * reminder, introduction about what Tomo talks today
 +      * fully integrated test when it’s cold
 +      * optics only; tests one can possibly imagine
 +    * pg28
 +      * purpose: mirror shape 
 +      * two spacial scales: large ,small scales
 +        * Large scals: you cannot probe smaller than the space between markers
 +        * Short scales: very small scales
 +      * A combination of both scales; blue table
 +      * “Cold” means some cold temperature, not necessary the mission temp
 +      * Minimal tests for PICO: Photogrammetry and Interferometry; certainly can be done
 +      * CMM: surface, not sure if there is facility big enough for PICO mirror
 +      * Shaul: mirror vendor, whatever lab who puts the instrument together; whoever provides mirrors, they would CMM warm; CMM is part of the cost buying the mirror; I & T is beyond vendor level.
 +      * Tomo: for space mission, it’s common you repeat measurements even vendors have done so.
 +      * Brian: normally,  vendors verify, we would not check again.
 +      * Tomo: different models, e.g. ground model, flight model; you can do tests in first few models, then you trust (vendors).
 +    * pg29
 +      * Tomo: partly a comment, partly a question
 +        * after the characterization, what information are we using?
 +      * pre-flight: sub and full level tests; outputs: performance verification and mirror shapes
 +      * inflight: beam calibration; slide shows beam profile from Planck
 +      * post-flight: if with precise beam, with pre-flight information, systematics; if beam not precise, we need GRASP model, and correct for it.
 +      * What did Planck use to get beam? What are the key information?
 +      * Kris: LFI used Grasp model; HFI used planet measurements; signal-to-noise is the reason. LFI is much more noisy. Absolute size of beam matters. pre-flight + inflight consideration.
 +      * Beam size is important because couple to focal plane; in part of scanning. Sometimes more reliable on GRASP model.
 +      * Tomo: future mission should have tighter requirement for signal-to-noise; does this mean they will be like LFI case?
 +      * Kris: Any test before flight is valuable.  
 +      * Shaul: not clear what Planck did was used and useful in terms of tests.
 +      * Kris: not sure if there is a short path compared to Planck.
 +    *Pg30
 +      * Tomo: it’s very important to characterize feed beam. For Planck, corrugated horns are classic and thus did not need more attention; PICO could use something else.
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