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-==== AAAC Proposal Pressures Group: Agenda April 27, 2015 ====
+==== Agenda April 27, 2015 ====
-  * List of possible survey questions that go beyond the Von Hippel Survey
+  * Presentation by Ted Von Hippel on the article and its survey. Linked at [[aaac:resources|RESOURCES]]
-    *
+  * Discussion: See below.
+  * Moving forward with Agency Statistics and Analysis.  The {{:aaac:aaacdemosection_long.docx|Longer report on Proposal Pressures}} that was not in finished form by the March 2015 AAAC report, may be a good place to start.  What are the questions not yet answered, what additional information is required to make a case.
+  * Next Teleconference - AOB
+==== Discussion with Ted ====
+=== FYI, here are some comments from his email  ===
+   Your proposal has both overlap with what we asked and substantial
+   additional detail that would be helpful to know.
+   Courtney would probably have additional suggestions if you/we ask her.
+   My only thoughts on reading through this are
+   a) I would break out research staff more to include support duties
+      at observatories vs. the various ranks of research faculty.  I
+      would also include non-tenure track faculty.  Not only does this
+      capture what could be a meaningful fraction of the respondents,
+      but if people don't see their category there, they can become
+      disillusioned about the survey, not answer, and that gives biased
+      results.
+   b) It is OK to have questions with lots of possible sub-categories,
+      like your PI and co-I grant writing questions.  The way to keep
+      this from taking too much time is to have it set up with drop
+      down categories for the number of proposals in each category or
+      a neatly formatted table where respondents can put in the number
+      of proposals that they have had in each category.
+   c) I suggest breaking out the formula-driven observation-support
+      grants into a separate table as for many colleagues, this signal
+      may overwhelm the number of standard research proposals that they
+      have written.  The dollar values are often substantially less as
+      well.
+   d) I like the question "Is writing grant applications an explicit
+      (or an unspoken but implicit) expectation for your position?" yet
+      suggest it is set up so that someone could instead check "explicit",
+      "implicit", or "not an expectation".  Possibly the first two
+      categories could be expanded to be
+      "strong explicit expectation"
+      "moderate explicit expectation"
+      "strong implicit expectation"
+      "moderate implicit expectation"
+      "not an expectation".

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