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| One issue concerning quantum mechanics has always bothered me. Why was is a wave model assumed for quantum events? Is this solely in attempt to match experimental observation? Wave mechanics is still classical in foundation quantum happenings seem to be in a completely scheme than classical events, which is the source of my discontent. Have other models been successfully applied to quantum mechanics? | One issue concerning quantum mechanics has always bothered me. Why was is a wave model assumed for quantum events? Is this solely in attempt to match experimental observation? Wave mechanics is still classical in foundation quantum happenings seem to be in a completely scheme than classical events, which is the source of my discontent. Have other models been successfully applied to quantum mechanics? |
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| ==Spherical Chicken== | ===Spherical Chicken23:59 9/15=== |
| It is my understanding that the wave model was derived and created before very much experimental observation had been made at all (at least on small scales... we've still not got very good small scale observational skills, instruments limited as they are) . But I believe this is born in part from Planck's discovery of light quanta and Einstein's wave-particle duality description of light. As well as an attempt at explaining the behavior of electrons staying in orbital -- so inherently there was a need for quantized energy levels. | It is my understanding that the wave model was derived and created before very much experimental observation had been made at all (at least on small scales... we've still not got very good small scale observational skills, instruments limited as they are) . But I believe this is born in part from Planck's discovery of light quanta and Einstein's wave-particle duality description of light. As well as an attempt at explaining the behavior of electrons staying in orbital -- so inherently there was a need for quantized energy levels. |
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| I think you should come up with a new model. Something Einstein would like better! | I think you should come up with a new model. Something Einstein would like better! |
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| ==John Galt== | ===John Galt 9:57 9/16=== |
| This question is similar to the one I posed earlier and I would still like to ask it. If we could find the emission time of a photon with greater precision, would that narrow its probability function? (For all time, because its probability function does not change over time?) | This question is similar to the one I posed earlier and I would still like to ask it. If we could find the emission time of a photon with greater precision, would that narrow its probability function? (For all time, because its probability function does not change over time?) |
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| | ==vinc0053 9/20 17:45== |
| | I have the same question. I haven't been given compelling reason to accept waves, and aspects of QM like the uncertainty principle (or duality) don't make it better. Thus far, waves have pulled through in explaining everything we have based on the assumption that particles move in waves. I think new models should be posed, but I think it would be most helpful to know exactly what experiments and measurements in labs have shown. |
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| ==== Chap0326 10:41pm 9/15 ==== | ==== Chap0326 10:41pm 9/15 ==== |
| What exactly is a stationary state? They talk a little bit about it on page 26 of Griffiths...Is it just every solution of the time independent solution to the Sch. Eqn.? | What exactly is a stationary state? They talk a little bit about it on page 26 of Griffiths...Is it just every solution of the time independent solution to the Sch. Eqn.? |
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| === Spherical Chicken === | === Spherical Chicken 0:41 9/16 === |
| A stationary state is synonymous with Eigen state. Basically, a state that doesn't radiate energy. The probability density of these states has no time dependence. Small perturbations can be ignored. Hence... stationary... in time. It should be noted that the only true stationary state is the ground state. With enough perturbation ... a stationary state can be made un-stationary. yes? Like granny in her rocker. Small movement doesn't tip her out... but come hurricane season... she's not really stationary till she's on the ground. | A stationary state is synonymous with Eigen state. Basically, a state that doesn't radiate energy. The probability density of these states has no time dependence. Small perturbations can be ignored. Hence... stationary... in time. It should be noted that the only true stationary state is the ground state. With enough perturbation ... a stationary state can be made un-stationary. yes? Like granny in her rocker. Small movement doesn't tip her out... but come hurricane season... she's not really stationary till she's on the ground. |
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| In addition, we discussed why stationary states are special in today's class. Did the discussion make sense? Do you have any additional questions, Joh04684? | In addition, we discussed why stationary states are special in today's class. Did the discussion make sense? Do you have any additional questions, Joh04684? |
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| | === joh04684 10:45 9/16/09 === |
| | Yes it did, thank you! |
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| ==== joh04684 12:05 am 9/16 ==== | ==== joh04684 12:05 am 9/16 ==== |