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| - | Atd: Kris, Tom, Roger, Qi, Karl, Shaul, Brian | + | Online: Lucy, Liliya, Shaul, Pat, Szabi, Vuk, Michael Coughlin, Claudia, David Williams, Alexandra Corsi, … and more |
| + | === notes === | ||
| - | Notes: | + | Submit by 9 am Tuesday morning, or Monday afternoon. |
| - | New sun shields, new alpha/beta? (JPL, UMN) | + | ==Review of status:== |
| - | * high angle tulip shields. | + | |
| - | * primary protected. | + | |
| - | * possible adjustments to alpha 30 or 35 | + | |
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| - | Focal plane V3.0 (Karl) | + | |
| - | * Few updates: 40K primary and 0.07% emissivity. | + | |
| - | * Shaul: option to increase FP size and number bolos by 2x. Keep this in mind. | + | |
| - | * Limits currently are data rate, see main imager wiki: posting/ | + | |
| - | * 15k bolos give 3 Tb/day but DSN for 4 hours is 2 Tb/day | + | |
| - | * Kris: this is a stiff constraint for 10 yrs in future. Planck saw same type of limits evaporate during their planning. | + | |
| + | project summary – not written yet. Manuela and SH working on this this week. | ||
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| + | Investigators list - **add your specialty, experiments you’re associated with, and MA** | ||
| + | * MC: lots of acronyms. Is there need to collapse projects into smaller summaries. | ||
| + | * SH: using 2 lines per person if fine. Keeping all acronyms is baseline for now. | ||
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| + | Overview: ignore all text there. Real text not written yet. Manuela and SH will write. | ||
| + | * 2 key points we plan to emphasize | ||
| + | * oppurtunities coming in next decade. New science, new messengers, new data/new observatories. | ||
| + | * need for holostic end to end approach | ||
| + | * VM: highlight that this is 1 of 10 big ideas for NSF. SH: and matches astro' | ||
| + | * Manuela: ~45-48 white papers on this for astro2020. Should we cite some of these? | ||
| + | * SH: also mention references to multi-messenger institute. Manuela: related to XEMA? | ||
| + | * Zabi has some connection. get ref from him. | ||
| + | * Figure. | ||
| + | * SH: missing cosmic rays | ||
| + | * Lucy: might look good to add a repeat of the GRB image next to the galaxy (replace image with a jetted radio galaxy) to show we're looking at AGN which are related jet phenomena at a different scale. | ||
| + | * SH: science connection is AGN/blazars to jets in GRBs. LF: yes. | ||
| + | * LF: large scale to small would be from left to right. | ||
| + | * ??: then not host galaxy, since AGN aren't hosts of GRBs | ||
| + | * SH: makes sense. just a question of how complicated the figure gets. | ||
| + | * LF: definitely want to have AGN, otherwise missing an entire MA. | ||
| + | * VM: could show stochastic background map. it's similar to the CMB map. is one a few months old. | ||
| + | * ??: could split CMB/SGWB maps so each is 1/2 sky. | ||
| + | * then replace galaxy with a jetted one. an agn. Then don't mention host galaxy. add cosmic rays. | ||
| + | * emphasize accretion disk in AGN. | ||
| + | * ??: any font restrictions for figures? | ||
| + | * SH: will work on this new figure. | ||
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| + | Results from Prior NSF. Josh is in charge. | ||
| + | * Looks disjointed, but that may be inevitable. | ||
| + | * 1st paragraph is exec summary. Collab deals with much of NSF. | ||
| + | * will get paper count in few days. | ||
| + | * if people have 1 clause papers to highlight send to Josh. probably can add. | ||
| + | * Intellectual merit and broader impact are not separated out. Due to space. | ||
| + | * both are mixed in and should be clear enough. | ||
| + | * Can add references. **feel free to add lists of your references** | ||
| + | * Manuela: can do just last names to save space. | ||
| + | * Josh: don't think we'd gain a line. and this reads as friendlier. | ||
| + | * SH: agree with Manuela, but if no savings that's fine. Don't need grant numbers. LF: no grant numbers? SH: yes, instructions are different from most NSF proposals. | ||
| + | * SH: concerned that Intellectual Merit and Broader Impacts aren't called out. don't want to annoy NSF's format. | ||
| + | * ??: agree that it is worth a few lines to call out broader impacts. | ||
| + | * SH: **please send broader impact results to SH, Josh** | ||
| + | * VM: maybe don't need a paragraph per person? could put all GW in 1 paragraph. or similar. group by field. LF: I agree. | ||
| + | * LF: could be narrative format? SH: yes is fine. | ||
| + | * Josh: could do intellectual merit organized by the 4 MAs. broader impact is 5th category. | ||
| + | * SH: keep names while reorganizing, | ||
| + | * Josh: if only last names with do bold to call out to reviewer. (note 2 William' | ||
| + | * SH: feel free to ping lots of people. | ||
| + | * Josh: Halzen and Pryke are large numbers in the grants. need a sentence from each. | ||
| + | * Szabi: in past had complaints from reviewers about people with prior support from non-NSF places. might want to short circuit problems. | ||
| + | * Manuela: agree some explanation of why the specific things listed here are chosen may matter. | ||
| + | * Josh: should be less of a problem when reorganized with MAs as context. | ||
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| + | MA4: (david, lucy, ...) | ||
| + | * Szabi: yes, should distinguish high/ | ||
| + | * SH: high in this context? number? | ||
| + | * SH: cosmic high-energy neutrinos section modified to call out: | ||
| + | * modeling (like blazars) to explain background, models inform observing plans. | ||
| + | * SH: additional background possibilities (SNe). contingent on using proprietary IceCube data. | ||
| + | * SH: 3rd possibility. do a census of all sources to explain background. Conflicts with first paragraph saying some of these are negligible. | ||
| + | * DW/BZ: each source (GRBs, star forming, blazars) in Paragraph 1 can produce 10% each. | ||
| + | * SH: I see. text needs clearing up. | ||
| + | * Cosmic ray accelerators: | ||
| + | * 1st paragraph on galactic cosmic rays. not clear what will be done. | ||
| + | * LF: yes, and who will do the work? no one called out. | ||
| + | * 2nd paragraph is extragalatic CRs. all we say is we can model sources. need consensus that that is what we should do. | ||
| + | * DW: ok with me. | ||
| + | * LF: everyone in MA4 would be interested in working on this section. but not sure who would work on galactic CR. | ||
| + | * DW: maybe IceCube folks? Justin? | ||
| + | * SH: yes. or this 1st paragraph removed. | ||
| + | * SH: and 2nd paragraph needs some cleaning up to define the topic. | ||
| + | * SN neutrinos from next supernova. from Justin? | ||
| + | * BZ: these are low energy neutrinos? in IceCube. | ||
| + | * ??: galactic supernova will be seen at high SNR. | ||
| + | * **can ask Yong Qian** he is expert on this. | ||
| + | * SH: done editing. | ||
| - | Update from JPL | ||
| - | * Roger: Wiring and thermal load w/ Chris Paine. | ||
| - | * FDM, has few wires to mK. More complicated warm readout. (Shaul: more power, yes. not necessarily more complicated. ) | ||
| - | * Power usage 15k bolos -- 375 W for FDM | ||
| - | * TDM, fewer wires. simpler warm readout | ||
| - | * calculating heat load on mK from heat conduction and detector dissipation. | ||
| - | * dissipation < 1 uW. not a problem. | ||
| - | * wire count | ||
| - | * x64 -- 1850 wires (TDM), with 350 mK buffer stage, few - 50 uW load on mK. | ||
| - | * x128 -- 1140 wires, 3-30 uW load. | ||
| - | * Next step, starting on FDM. | ||
| - | * Peter Day is detector Team X partner. | ||
| - | * Brian: Joelle' | ||
| - | * from him: | ||
| - | * Just satellite drifting passively: space craft 260 K, primary 31 K. | ||
| - | * Adding heat sources, coolers, etc. to refine numbers. | ||
| - | * Shaul: need inputs to Goddard for ADR design. | ||
| - | * Tom: need this by end of this week. | ||
| - | Team X December 19. | ||