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| - | Atd: Shaul, | + | Online: Lucy, Liliya, |
| + | === notes === | ||
| - | === Notes === | + | Submit by 9 am Tuesday morning, or Monday afternoon. |
| - | Cover Art - Volunteer(s)? | + | |
| - | * need a shepherd/ | + | |
| - | * AT: images are common in proposals. CMB is rather boring. | + | |
| - | * CL: could have history of universe | + | |
| - | * SH: could tell artist that in words, and iterate. | + | |
| - | * **Charles will talk to artist, Amy will coordinate meeting.** | + | |
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| - | Policy for report Authors/ | + | |
| - | * Lots of people writing/ | + | |
| - | * CL: Long list of 2 groups. 1 group is authors, 2nd group is everyone. Is 2 alphabetized subsets. No labels separating the 2 lists. | + | |
| - | * SH: for science white papers we've suggested 2 lists. didn't get into typographic details. **Will check with Lloyd and ___** | + | |
| - | Final TeamX - 2nd week of October | + | ==Review |
| - | Status of report {{: | + | project summary – not written yet. Manuela |
| - | * Schedule (work backwards) | + | |
| - | * Submit 12/31/2018 = effectively Friday 12/21 | + | |
| - | * 4 weeks to implement external review comments + final polish = 11/21 (11/21-26 - Thanksgiving) | + | |
| - | * Nov. 1: submit to external reviews; receive back between 11/9 and 11/19 | + | |
| - | * Nov. 1 version: essentially final text; essentially final forecasts; essentially final Figures | + | |
| - | *[[https:// | + | |
| - | Revised cost estimate process for all the Probes | + | Investigators list - **add your specialty, experiments you’re associated with, and MA** |
| - | * {{:private: | + | * MC: lots of acronyms. Is there need to collapse projects into smaller summaries. |
| - | * See more information below | + | * SH: using 2 lines per person if fine. Keeping all acronyms is baseline for now. |
| - | __PCAT__ \\ | + | Overview: ignore all text there. Real text not written yet. Manuela and SH will write. |
| - | * Independent cost estimate by Science Office of Mission Assessment is canceled | + | * 2 key points we plan to emphasize |
| - | * Cost Estimation and Pricing Section (CEPS) | + | * oppurtunities coming |
| - | * PCAT will review CEPS and RAO' | + | * need for holostic end to end approach |
| - | * Q: What is the input to CEPS? | + | * VM: highlight |
| - | * A: " | + | * Manuela: ~45-48 white papers on this for astro2020. Should we cite some of these? |
| - | * Q: Interaction with CEPS? | + | * SH: also mention references to multi-messenger institute. Manuela: related |
| - | * A: there will be a get-to-work meeting in January with opportunity for questions and some communication. Other interactions Afterwards and before | + | * Zabi has some connection. get ref from him. |
| - | * Q: What if CEPS costs come different than TeamX? Will there be an opportunity to reconcile? | + | * Figure. |
| - | * A: There will be a reconciliation meeting with PCAT. But with the teams? Not clear. | + | * SH: missing cosmic rays |
| + | * Lucy: might look good to add a repeat of the GRB image next to the galaxy (replace image with a jetted radio galaxy) to show we're looking at AGN which are related jet phenomena at a different scale. | ||
| + | * SH: science connection is AGN/blazars to jets in GRBs. LF: yes. | ||
| + | * LF: large scale to small would be from left to right. | ||
| + | * ??: then not host galaxy, since AGN aren't hosts of GRBs | ||
| + | * SH: makes sense. just a question of how complicated the figure gets. | ||
| + | * LF: definitely want to have AGN, otherwise missing an entire MA. | ||
| + | * VM: could show stochastic background map. it's similar to the CMB map. is one a few months old. | ||
| + | * ??: could split CMB/SGWB maps so each is 1/2 sky. | ||
| + | * then replace galaxy with a jetted one. an agn. Then don't mention host galaxy. add cosmic rays. | ||
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| + | * ??: any font restrictions for figures? LF: captions must be 10 pt. never seen limits on text in figures. | ||
| + | * SH: will work on this new figure. | ||
| - | __More Questions__ \\ | + | Results from Prior NSF. Josh is in charge. |
| - | * What will be submitted | + | * Looks disjointed, but that may be inevitable. |
| - | * CEPS Process: Are the TeamX slides provided | + | * 1st paragraph is exec summary. Collab deals with much of NSF. |
| - | * For a given Probe, is there a reconciliation process between the TeamX cost and the CEPS cost? Will PCAT be managing this in real time (or is PCAT handed | + | * will get paper count in few days. |
| + | * if people have 1 clause papers to highlight send to Josh. probably can add. | ||
| + | * Intellectual merit and broader impact are not separated out. Due to space. | ||
| + | * both are mixed in and should | ||
| + | * Can add references. **feel free to add lists of your references** | ||
| + | * Manuela: can do just last names to save space. | ||
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| + | * SH: agree with Manuela, but if no savings that's fine. Don't need grant numbers. LF: no grant numbers? SH: yes, instructions are different from most NSF proposals. | ||
| + | * SH: concerned that Intellectual Merit and Broader Impacts aren't called out. don't want to annoy NSF's format. | ||
| + | * ??: agree that it is worth a few lines to call out broader impacts. | ||
| + | * SH: **please send broader impact results to SH, Josh** | ||
| + | * VM: maybe don't need a paragraph per person? could put all GW in 1 paragraph. | ||
| + | * LF: could be narrative format? SH: yes is fine. | ||
| + | * Josh: could do intellectual merit organized by the 4 MAs. broader impact is 5th category. | ||
| + | * SH: keep names while reorganizing, not just projects/ | ||
| + | * Josh: if only last names with do bold to call out to reviewer. (note 2 William' | ||
| + | * SH: feel free to ping lots of people. | ||
| + | * Josh: Halzen | ||
| + | * Szabi: | ||
| + | * Manuela: agree some explanation of why the specific things listed here are chosen may matter. | ||
| + | * Josh: should be less of a problem when reorganized with MAs as context. | ||
| + | MA4: (david, lucy, ...) | ||
| + | * Szabi: yes, should distinguish high/ | ||
| + | * SH: high in this context? number? | ||
| + | * SH: cosmic high-energy neutrinos section modified to call out: | ||
| + | * modeling (like blazars) to explain background, models inform observing plans. | ||
| + | * SH: additional background possibilities (SNe). contingent on using proprietary IceCube data. | ||
| + | * SH: 3rd possibility. do a census of all sources to explain background. Conflicts with first paragraph saying some of these are negligible. | ||
| + | * DW/BZ: each source (GRBs, star forming, blazars) in Paragraph 1 can produce 10% each. | ||
| + | * SH: I see. text needs clearing up. | ||
| + | * Cosmic ray accelerators: | ||
| + | * 1st paragraph on galactic cosmic rays. not clear what will be done. | ||
| + | * LF: yes, and who will do the work? no one called out. | ||
| + | * 2nd paragraph is extragalatic CRs. all we say is we can model sources. need consensus that that is what we should do. | ||
| + | * DW: ok with me. | ||
| + | * LF: everyone in MA4 would be interested in working on this section. but not sure who would work on galactic CR. | ||
| + | * DW: maybe IceCube folks? Justin? | ||
| + | * SH: yes. or this 1st paragraph removed. | ||
| + | * SH: and 2nd paragraph needs some cleaning up to define the topic. | ||
| + | * SN neutrinos from next supernova. from Justin? | ||
| + | * BZ: these are low energy neutrinos? in IceCube. | ||
| + | * ??: galactic supernova will be seen at high SNR. | ||
| + | * **can ask Yong Qian** he is expert on this. | ||
| + | * SH: done editing. | ||
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| - | Recommendations for external reviewers (deliver report end of Oct.) | ||
| - | * desired perspectives: | ||
| - | * Names proposed so far | ||
| - | * US: Page, Dodelson, Bennett, Hinshaw, Ruhl, Runyan | ||
| - | * International: | ||
| - | * suggested in telecon: Francios, Ganga, | ||
| - | * Any outside CMB field? | ||
| - | * Any survey groups? | ||
| - | * AT: good to people with broad perspective. experience with mission proposals is a plus. This document is essentially a mission proposal. | ||
| - | * Jamie Bock? (is formally on EC, so more ' | ||
| - | * SH: People outside field are especially useful. Surveys? other space missions? | ||
| - | * CP: Anyone from Euclid? | ||
| - | * Ichiro (Andrian?) Klapsful (sp? | ||
| - | * JB: A Euclid group that does ' | ||
| - | * SH: LSST connections? | ||
| - | * JB: Michael Strauss | ||
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