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 Homestake Meeting, 01/09/2014 Homestake Meeting, 01/09/2014
  
-Attending:+Attending: Victor, Vuk, Gwynne, Tanner, Gary, Gabor S, Shivaraj
  
 +1) PASSCAL communications (Vuk, Gary, Tanner)  
 +Gary spoke with Tim Parker at PASSCAL. Several outcomes:    
 +    a) We have all the wireless radios we want to use. They have more than the number we need for surface sites. 
 +    Have anthena on Yates, and line of sight to the surface stations. We need to discuss if they could play a role 
 +    in some underground sites. That is, if a door isn't it the way we could potentially deploy instruments totally 
 +    autonomously and do comms wireless down the drift.
 +    Vuk: attempted wireless communication in the drifts in the early days, didn't work well. Also, there are usually 
 +    turns in the drifts, difficult to get a direct line of sight.
  
-1PASSCAL communications (Vuk, GaryTanner+    bMultiple solutions exist for sending time that are off the shelf.  We need to just get started on that one. 
-    a) availability of instruments +    Vuk: this is the highest priority now. There are solutions developed by other usersbut may require us to develop  
-    btiming/synchronization+    some hardware. There may also be vendors selling repeaters of the GPS signalseg used for subway tunnels etc. We  
 +    would need to speak with the vendors to understand exactly what signals are being repeated, and make sure this is  
 +    what the Q330 would require... 
 + 
 +    cDisposable batteries: air cells are an option to consider.  Rough number I got from Tim Parker was $100/month  
 +    for the station alone and double that if we have to feed radio or a fiber optic device (one or the other or both  
 +    are required of course underground). Lighter than standard acid batteries, about 1/4 weight, and disposable. 
 +    Vuk: batteries may really be the way to go. All of the locations we are considering are accessible via rail or other vehicles.  
 +    So it shouldn't be difficult to replace ~10 batteries in a station every ~6 months or so.  
 + 
 +    Gary: Also, maybe could use DC voltage supply over a ~2km cable. Should check with SURF whether there are cost savings  
 +    if we go with this option, as opposed to AC power.  
 +    Shivaraj: there are constraints due to fire-hazard on the insulation material etc, which drive the costs up.
  
 2) UMN test setup (Tanner) 2) UMN test setup (Tanner)
 +Tanner: Received the first Q330 from PASSCAL, starting to set it up in the lab at Minnesota. Should have more to say next meeting.
 +Vuk: the idea is to gain experience with this system and learn how to use the GPS with Q330. Then we can start talking to 
 +vendors and others to understand how to set up synchronization.
  
 3) Analysis of existing data 3) Analysis of existing data
     a) Frames/miniSEED files (Shivaraj, Tanner, Michael)     a) Frames/miniSEED files (Shivaraj, Tanner, Michael)
 +    Shivaraj: produced frames for another 2 months of data, currently at Caltech. Continuing to produce frames for other data. 
 +    Timing synchronization is at 1 ms, so not too bad. But data usually does not include all stations. Also, observe DC level 
 +    shifting over time in discontinuous steps, on varying time-scales (sometimes even shorter than 10 sec). 
 +    Gary: are you dropping bits? Are the steps powers of two? Are there ripples in the series?
 +    Shivaraj: appear to be sharp jumps.
 +    Gary: so it is probably digital, otherwise there would be some ringing in the time series. Check if these are power of 2 jumps...
 +    Shivaraj: see it in 4100A, could be present in other stations as well. Suspect we should be able to find another good patch of data.
 +
     b) Wiener filtering (Michael, Jan)     b) Wiener filtering (Michael, Jan)
-    c) Estimation algorithms (Shivaraj, Eric) 
  
 +    c) Estimation algorithms (Shivaraj, Eric)
 +    Shivaraj: planning to add P and Rayleigh filters into 1 filter. 
 +    Vuk: Had a discussion with Eric and Shivaraj about this. Roughly, Shivaraj will aim to complete his study by combining the P and 
 +    R filters into one, test it on simulations, and then apply it to the real data acquired at Homestake. This should be sufficient for 
 +    a publication. Eric will take a longer-term approach, trying to incorporate all wave modes, address computational issues that will 
 +    probably arise, and study possible degeneracies between different modes.
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