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Sept 16 (Wed) Chap 2-2 through 2-4

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Given what we discussed in class today (Mon), focus on questions which may arise from sections 2 to 4. Yuichi.

Malmx026 8:00 pm 9/15

Page 65 Griffiths shows how to calculate the group velocity for wave function made up of many frequencies. It seems to me that the shape of the wave would change (different freq. would travel at different velocities) if the higher order derivatives of the frequency were non zero, am I interpreting this correctly?

Esquire 10:25pm 9/15

One issue concerning quantum mechanics has always bothered me. Why was is a wave model assumed for quantum events? Is this solely in attempt to match experimental observation? Wave mechanics is still classical in foundation quantum happenings seem to be in a completely scheme than classical events, which is the source of my discontent. Have other models been successfully applied to quantum mechanics?

Spherical Chicken

It is my understanding that the wave model was derived and created before very much experimental observation had been made at all (at least on small scales… we've still not got very good small scale observational skills, instruments limited as they are) . But I believe this is born in part from Planck's discovery of light quanta and Einstein's wave-particle duality description of light. As well as an attempt at explaining the behavior of electrons staying in orbital – so inherently there was a need for quantized energy levels.

But I agree with you. It seems as if it is in a lot of ways simply a mathematical tool to describe what we are limited in experiencing because of our physical distance from the extreme spatial spaces. I've often wondered how quantum mechanics would be if we could somehow shrink ourselves to sizes of molecules and atoms. Would we still be describing atoms as probabilities – or if we were smaller and we didn't have to contribute so much to the uncertainty principle in observing these things. If an amoeba could study quantum mechanics, would he agree with us? Basically … is our knowledge of QM and the wave 'true' or is it just a model to explain what we can't physically know…

I think you should come up with a new model. Something Einstein would like better!

John Galt

This question is similar to the one I posed earlier and I would still like to ask it. If we could find the emission time of a photon with greater precision, would that narrow its probability function? (For all time, because its probability function does not change over time?)

Chap0326 10:41pm 9/15

I don't quite understand how Griffith went from equation [2.2] to equation [2.3]. Can someone add some mathematical commentary to the separation of variables steps?

The Doctor 1:33am 9/16/2009

In equation 2.2 we change the wave function, <math>\Psi</math>, into two separate parts, <math>\psi</math> and <math>\varphi</math>. <math>\psi</math> is the part of the total wave function that contains the variable x and <math>\varphi</math> is the part with t. As the book says, it's only in rare situations that you're able to separate the variables in this way. The next (non-numbered equation) shows why this is useful. The partial derivative with respect to t of <math>\Psi</math> now becomes <math>\psi*(d\varphi/dt)</math> because <math>\psi</math> doesn't contain t and is therefore constant with respect to this derivative. On the other hand, <math>\varphi</math>'s only variable is t and so it's now a full derivative instead of a partial one so they now denote it with d instead of <math>\delta</math> (<math>\Psi</math> had the partial derivative because it contains both x and t). The same is done for the double derivative of x which only <math>\psi</math> contains. You can then plug these changes into Schrodinger's equation to get the second non-numbered equation. And then by dividing through by <math>\psi\varphi</math> you get Equation 2.3.

joh04684 11:09 pm 9/15

What exactly is a stationary state? They talk a little bit about it on page 26 of Griffiths…Is it just every solution of the time independent solution to the Sch. Eqn.?

Spherical Chicken

A stationary state is synonymous with Eigen state. Basically, a state that doesn't radiate energy. The probability density of these states has no time dependence. Small perturbations can be ignored. Hence… stationary… in time. It should be noted that the only true stationary state is the ground state. With enough perturbation … a stationary state can be made un-stationary. yes? Like granny in her rocker. Small movement doesn't tip her out… but come hurricane season… she's not really stationary till she's on the ground.

joh04684 12:05 am 9/16

On page 54 of Griffiths, I got a little bit lost in their jump at the top of the page from the sum of (1/j!)Squiggle^2j to turning it into an exponential, as well as their deduction that you can only have either even or odd components, but not both. Could someone try to elaborate on how you can do this?

Blackbox

On page 41 of Griffiths, could you explain why V(xo) is subtracted from V(x) in a Taylor series and the physical meaning of this, “(you can add a constant to V(x) with impunity, since that doesn't change the force)”?

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